I was made aware the following day that my request would NOT be granted. But Muriel, who was known locally as 'The Little Nightingale' because of her beautiful singing voice, never made it home. The path she walked home on curved in and out of the woods; her mother saw her walking home along the path and into the woods, but not come out again. He could possibly be a rival farmer and or business owner, we can tell the Drinkwaters run a business due to the fact that Hoyles bought eggs from Margaret Drinkwater, near to the death of Muriel Drinkwater. Jones killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. Welsh author Neil Milkinsargues that Harold Jones,a convicted murderer who killed two girls in Abertillery in 1921 when he was just 15 years old, was Muriels killer. You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. Roll on another 2 months for a denied request. Officers are now examining a semen stain on Muriel's coat to see if it can be linked to Jones. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the South Wales Polices Specialist Crime Review Unit announced to the press in May 2019: The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. 'Each case is reviewed periodically. Hi Neil. 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Birth: 16 Jan 1878: ~ Christine. Update: I have left it two weeks for the . The electoral register having been suspended because of the war means details are hazy about where he ended up - although he did eventually resurface in South London under the name Harry Stevens, leading some to believe he was also Jack The Stripper - the serial killer who battered and strangled a number of women across the capital during the 1960s. It was supposed to have been abandoned in 1944 but I know there were GIs who married Swansea girls still around in 1946. She disappeared around the bend into some more dense undergrowth. Her parents Harold and Muriel Jones/Stevens kept a lot of secrets from this daughter one of which may be that she wasnt Harolds daughter. Neil. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. Hi Neil Dear Sir/Madam. The Crime Review Group already have the information that I request. Muriel Drinkwater murder: Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. [13] However, in 2019, South Wales Police stated that forensic tests on the DNA "categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. [18] The public can no longer access the Drinkwater files by Freedom of Information Act requests or in person at the archives office in Kew. Muriel Drinkwater - Swansea, 1946 On 27th June 1946, Margaret Drinkwater was making tea in the family farm house in Penllegaer near Swansea when she looked out of the window to see her daughter . 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[citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. A 73-year-old sample semen has conclusively disproved the theory Harold Jones was the killer of 12-year-old schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater, Get the latest court and crime news from WalesOnline. Dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', the 12-year-old had been killed amongst the undergrowth at Penllergaer Woods whilst on her way home from school one June afternoon. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. I received the following letter from D.C. Paul Rogers on 6 December 2007. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. ", Muriel Drinkwater who was killed in June 1946. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. On his way home, he passed Muriel as she walked along the path. Thank you for the update. Video, 00:01:00At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. 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Her mother later went to the village to look for her when she did not return home; more than a dozen men from the area began a search. The gun was described as aColt 45 American army issue automatic pistol, first issued for World War I but probably also used in World War II, which significantly had the original wooden stocks next to the grip modernised with perspex.. Although the decision was made immediately it took nearly 7 weeks until 16 August 2021 to get a formal decision. Something went wrong, please try again later. See link to Jones and other murders. And no idea and Japanese workers. Although the profile was loaded into the UK National DNA Database, it failed to match any of the approximately five million DNA records held there. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. I guess a DNA test of Sheila Martin must have been taken to see if it was the same person. I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. During the course of the investigation the finger of blame had sometimes been pointed at Muriel's father, John. Mudgee General Cemetery. Vote. Learn more about managing a memorial . Muriel Joan Drinkwater was raped in Penllergaer Woods, beaten about the head with a blunt instrument and then shot with a World War I Colt 45 on 27 June 1946. First he lived in Fulham with a former London Metropolitan Police officer John Widdows and his daughter Muriel whom he married in 1948. On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. Just before she entered the woods she looked up to see the farm in the distance. Fingers crossed that one day a DNA match can give us the breakthrough needed to solve this case. On 28 June 2021, I sent the following Freedom of Information Request to South Wales Police. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? [15] There is evidence that Harries was employed by Drinkwater's father, John, at the time of her death. Their bodies were found buried in a Carmarthenshire kale field in 1953 you can read the full story here. Hoyles told police that the man looked terribly stern and had a local accent. Although this person of interest could have just been out for hike or involved in some other unrelated nefarious activity, the authorities believe that he may have been in involved in Muriels murder. Hi Christine. Over 20,000 men were interviewed about the crime . Hi Neil. I am making a F.O.I. "We had access to the files and identified that a semen stain had been found on the coat. She was hoping in her lifetime to find out who killed her aunt. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. Lets deduce, her killer was obviously male, or were they, unless they had extracted the sperm from another person it is definite that they are a male, so we have a male, s/ that narrows it down. "All historic murder cases, or 'cold cases', are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. I would like to request an internal review of (an adverse) decision made by South Wales Police regarding information I requested on 28-6-21. Psychic Diane Lazarus Investigates Muriel Drinkwater Murder - YouTube 0:00 / 21:56 Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. He must have known she was near home because she waved and if we are saying this was a planned attack he wouldve studied Muriels routine, studied her route, he was near where her route went, that is a very specific route to go in and out the forest, and with balance of probability he therefore must have known Muriel and her family business to cripple the mother to cripple the business. Perhaps one day then there'll still be justice for Muriel Drinkwater - even if it might have to stretch beyond the grave. They visited the Carmarthen bookshop to identify if the killers family had taken the books there. And the truth will never be known. Colin Dark suggested the possibillity of using D.N.A to identify who took the books into the shop with the hope of identifying the killer. . The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. Video, 00:01:00, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. Another witness came forward to tell the team that Ronnie Harries had worked on a farm in Penllergaer, evidence that was supported from a newspaper cutting at the time. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater had only a mile to travel from the South Wales village of Penllergaer to the farm she lived on with her family. Thanks for reading and for taking the time to share your thoughts. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. Evernote. Two days later, police found one of the murder weapons, a World War I-era Colt .45 pistol. Something went wrong, please try again later. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. She was singing . They had been regular churchgoers, but stopped going to church and moved away from the farm within two years of the murder. I then appealed that decision and was shocked to be told that the information I requested had been eaten by vermin or had been damaged owing to a leaking roof. The savage nature of the attack stands out from other rapes. Great questions! My enquiries are now complete and have led me to believe that Harold Jones would have presented a danger to young girls throughout his life All relevant information has now been presented to South Wales Police, Major Crime Review Unit,who are currently in the process of making further inquiries into the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. He described the search for the clothes that had been taken from the crime scene. Muriel was the same age as my Aunt Peggy and they went to Primary school together. Her mother seen her approaching 400 yards away, so perhaps she was a selected victim. Updated: August 30, 2013 . He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". The perpetrator left cigarette stubs, sweet wrappers, and pieces of bread at the scene of the crime, which the authorities have said indicates that he was waiting in the dense woods for his chance to strike. They have a suspect in the murder case and a cousin of the suspect has given D.N.A to prove whether or not the cousin Ron Harries was the killer. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. Mr Hall, who was intrigued by the unsolved crime, says friends of Muriel remember her as the ``perfect pupil''. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. People had forgotten it was there. There must be other victims of this person as I cant see him stopping. https://www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/crime/prison-inmate-accused-42-year-old-homicide-in-dixon-area/103-535ec3ad-2aa1-4d10-94a7-aafe4f6081ff, We are thrilled to announce that remains discovered in 2017 in Sanford, Maine at a building site have been identified. Those who have not failed may not have succeeded. Two months too young to face the gallows, he was sent to Usk Prison where he sensationally confessed to the first killing, blaming the voice of a 'demon' in his head. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. This was a big news story at the time. Only by comparing D.N.A. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample . "That sounds pompous, but I knew that really he was a simpleton, but I didn't detect any menace in him.". She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. Just put my name in Facebook bar. Video, 00:01:00, View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. Psychic Diane Lazarus. It was the first time he had spoken publicly about the tragedy that haunts his family to this day. 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Thanks again for sharing this. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. South Wales Police some years ago announced that a potential suspect Hubert Hoyles had been cleared of Muriels death through DNA profiling. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. Why? Muriel Drinkwater lived on a farm known at Tyle-Du at Penllergaer and attended Penllergaer Grammar School. Despite their inve. The authorities went as far as to suggest that someone in the Penllergaer region knows about the murder weapon but is protecting the owner by withholding information. I am leaning towards it being a targeted attack, in part because of the positioning of the perpetrator as you mentioned. She was sexually assaulted and strangled and last seen with an American soldier. <p>The school bus dropped Muriel Drinkwater at her usual stop, leaving her to walk the last part of her journey home to the family farm in Penllergaer, West Wales. On 29 August 2021, I sent the following email to Freedom Of Information at South Wales Police. "Each case is reviewed periodically. Interesting case Christine. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest one in the world to . [8] Scientists successfully retrieved a DNA profile from this stain. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. Muriel Jean Drinkwater Birth unknown Death 1983 Burial. Read about our approach to external linking. Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. Neil Milkins. They never recovered. The D.N.A. Muriels niece is in a dreadful state. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirlMuriel Drinkwater's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. Neil Milkins. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. "My grandparents changed completely. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts found a semen stain found on Muriel's coat. It was an article that said that Harries had worked for Muriel's father John at the time of her murder. Thank you for sharing this detailed update on Muriels case with the community. It was believed a similar weapon had been used in the murder of a cinema manager in Bristol. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. Posted by 8 minutes ago. Her route to her familys home Tyle-Du Farmentailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? More recently, however, it was tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. Hey Babes!I'm back with another True Crime Tuesday case and todays case is about the murder of Muriel Drinkwater also known as the little red riding hood mur. Muriel N Drinkwater (born Maker) was born on month day 1903, at birth place, to Thomas L Maker and Margaret L Maker (born Baum). I live on the land of penllergaer woods and I have some information that I think u would like to hear.. how can I get in contact with u to chat.? With the help from a niece of Muriel Drinkwater I pursued my research which led to South Wales Police taking a D.N.A. Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. Interesting insights! Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near A US Army Colt .45 service revolver was used to shoot Muriel Drinkwater, 12, in the chest, after her killer had beaten and raped her. However in 1965 he was registered as Harry Stevens in Putney AND at the same time he rented a property in Aldensley Road Hammersmith and was also registered but using the name Harry Jones. "We realise whoever did this might be dead, but if he is alive and in his 80s or even 90s we would like to see him behind bars," said Muriel's great-niece Claire Phillips, speaking about developments last October. Your work keeps this case alive and I hope it will one day reveal the true identity of Muriels killer. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. They also announced in May 2019 that Abertillery double child killer Harold Jones had also been cleared of Muriels murder. A much loved, very kind and thoughtful person who did great things for people but never expected anything in return. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater 's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. Hi James. Close. [16][17], In 2010, the Lord Chancellor's Advisory Council on National Records and Archives closed off public access to the case, acting at the behest of Scotland Yard. D.C, Paul Rogers, independent of Victor Penalunas theory, contacted me by phone and told me that his research had led him to believe that Harold Jones may have been Muriel Drinkwaters killer. left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. The police statement that Jones was ruled out is a misleading statement. 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Video, 00:00:36Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. Her killer has never been caught and it remains among the most notorious unsolved murders in Welsh history you can read more of them here. What a big moment in this case! They pieced together evidence from the time, used new forensic breakthroughs and links to other cases in the area to identify who they think murdered Muriel in the most horrific way. [8][4], In 2003, detectives re-opened the case in the hope of finding DNA evidence on the gun, but were not successful as too many people had handled the weapon. Hi Neil. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. [8][4] Policemen from Glamorgan, assisted by the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit, used a metal detector to search for a second weapon suspected to have been used, but never located it. It is frustrating that the Wales Online story of Saturday 7 November states the police have D.N.A. Are you able to tell me if her father has been cleared via DNA profiling?. Advertisement. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. "[14][5], In 2020, the BBC One documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers suggested that Ronnie Harries could be the murderer. Neil. As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . A brother, nephew, grandson. And if you want to write a guest post that covers the update for distribution on the website, let us know. Video, 00:00:42, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. The comments below have not been moderated. Some time after speaking to D.S Lloyd-Evans, D.N.A. She was beaten, raped and shot twice just yards from her family's isolated farmhouse in 1946. Medicaid to cut 14 MILLION Americans from health coverage as states crack down on eligibility for the first time in three years after numbers soared during COVID - so are you at risk? Sometime later that afternoon, Muriels mother Margaret glanced out of her kitchen window and noticed Muriel approaching their property from approximately 400 yards away. Thank you so much for this detailed update. [11] Hoyles, who saw Drinkwater after buying eggs at her parents' farm, was cleared by the DNA evidence. However, what happened to Jones once he left Wandsworth jail in December 1941, aged 35, remains a mystery. First, I was told that South Wales Police werent obliged to say. Video, 00:00:36, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! The True Crime Files Like you I hope there is justice one day for Muriel but sadly as more and more time passes I worry that becomes less likely. Video, 00:01:18, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. She was buried at St David's Church in Penllergaer. Published: 08:03 EST, 1 May 2019 | Updated: 13:00 EST, 1 May 2019. Do not sell or share my personal information. SOUTH Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has been investigating the murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater whose body was found in Penllergaer Woods, Swansea in 1946. Hi Nicola. ', Glamorgan Police and men of the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit make a break for a meal during their search for evidence after her murder on June 27, 1946, Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. 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