I haven't been anywhere; I practically live like a hermit anyway, and I haven't been sick again yet. A lot of people automatically took Mucinex that would make their noses run. . Even today, the "experts" are saying that most people who die from it have had pre-existing conditions. a stuffy, leaky nose. Extreme lung congestion as R186 stated, the mucus was very thick and heavy, like wallpaper paste. From mid-December to mid-January, I was sick. Researchers like Walter and others are working to develop flu vaccines that last longer and offer broader protection against many flu strains. If you have COVID-19 but don't have symptoms, don't take cold medications, acetaminophen (Tylenol), or over-the-counter nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen (Advil) and naproxen (Aleve). Theres no doubt that we will face some challenges this winter, OConnell said. R380, nope, Im not. Oscar Cainer tells all. More info. Oh look R396, theres a shiny, new penny over there. Best to wait it out and keep yourself amused. He was right and I am beyond grateful. THATS ALL IM ASKING HERE. If we all found out we have the antibodies, we could all be allowed back to work. Visiting brother leaves, several days mom not better, I start her on the med combo, feels better in about a week. [quote] I have no taste for coffee at all. Yesterday it started getting worse again, and today I hardly have the energy to get out of bed. It's just a cold. Remdesivir was the only drug approved at the time this article was written. The heavily glycosylated SARS-CoV spike (S) protein binds to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 which serves as a cellular receptor. There are idiotic Deplorables here and there wearing the mask below their nose, but most people obey it. How Are Colds And The Flu Diagnosed What's Going Around: Flu, stomach virus infections abundant right now PCR-based tests can be done to look for common colds, but theyre not generally available to the public for routine use theyre usually reserved for hospital patients with pneumonia or a severe respiratory tract infection. Did any of you who got a flu shot still get this cold? r326, went to Myanmar and Thailand with a friend, with overnight stops in Osaka in Dec, in Hong Kong in Jan, and an exchange in Narita, arriving in L.A. 1/11. Flu vaccines are designed to protect against the four types of flu viruses that scientists expect to circulate that year. I had the fatigue and some other cold-like symptoms (but never a fever), but 7 days into it I woke up and one of my eyes was bright red and somewhat weepy like pink eye. Im curious to know if anybody on this thread who said they had symptoms later got a positive test or antibody test for coronavirus either showing that you had it or if you didnt get Corona virus later that you had immunity from 2019. The percentage of pregnant people who have gotten a flu shot is 47.9%. Yes, R101, I got a flu shot about the end of October. Stranger too is that my sister got sick the day after I did & she was even worse. Both influenza and COVID can be spread to other people before individuals develop symptoms, notes Dr. Aubree Gordon, an infectious disease expert at the University of Michigan. Is this Asian in origin, or Russian, or South American? Several blood groups can modify the innate immune response to infection. Sheesh!! The cashier at my grocery store had a cold, ACK now her germs are on everything I bought. No fever. Eat as much as you want, just not much dairy. I want people to be more aggressive here.. even R2 was aware taht this wasn't a normal cold. And above all, if you get sick: get extra sleep. More than two in every 1,000 babies between 6 months and one year have been hospitalized with RSV so far this season, as have more than one in every 1,000 children between age one and two. Most Americans dont plan to get a flu shot this season, two new omicron subvariantsare spreading fast, and "the vast majority is behaving as if there's no pandemic," Swartzberg says. A medical worker disinfects a tent used for suspected Ebola victims inside the Ebola isolation center of Madudu Health Center III, in the village of Madudu, in the Mubende district of Uganda Tuesday, Nov. 1, 2022. As a result, the scientists of the study propose that some ingredient in the soup may be responsible for slowing or blocking the migration of these WBCs to the upper respiratory tract and thus, aid in relieving cold symptoms. Two-workers and my husband are in their third week. Giving info & advice. Do not go to work or outside while you still have a fever or body aches. Couldn't sleep during the worst of it. It was accompanied by a low grade fever and fatigue, but no phlegm. The tests aren't the same. ", Experts predicted Covid would normalize the sick day. I live in the middle of flyover land in a small city, and lots of people around me had similar symptoms. I think the hydrogen peroxide killed off the germs causing my illness. People do realize that Covid didn't "break out" when they started testing for it, right? The ginger honey tea not only relieves a sore throat but they are known to kill some of the agents that cause colds. Cough that hasnt quite completely cleared up after almost 4 weeks. Allergies can cause a runny nose and sneezing. Another old thread. It does reduce fever, and is an analgesic, but not an anti-inflammatory drug. That's all that's necessary. Fingers crossed I stay clear of it. If you can't find the email you can resend it here. They open at 10:00 am. The symptoms for flu and colds are similar. Yes, he should, R237. Still have residual congestion. But at my next 3 month visit my WBC were still elevated so I got sent to a hematologist. All Rights Reserved. it does seem that when a person gets the virus again they get it in a milder form, still, better be safe than sorry. Early Spring Common Cold. Sounds like coronavirus. I would think that it can; if I test positive for antibodies, it would strongly suggest that my brush with serious respiratory illness late last year was in fact Covid-19. I'd never had any kind of illness that felt so "controlled.". It has a long incubation stage, but can have sudden onset of symptoms. Many of my co-workers got very sick around the same time. . Never heard from him again. Eat right people! WoW. Several distinct phenotypes associated with increased host resistance to malaria are overrepresented in populations living in areas where malaria is endemic, as a result of evolutionary pressures. But no fever, aches & pains, or physical weakness so I'm confident it wasn't influenza or coronavirus. With people returning to workplaces amid relaxing Covid protocols, poor Covid-19 booster uptake and cold and flu season on the way, the office bug is making an unwelcome comeback. R236 is an obnoxious asshole, with egg on his face. The outbreak is expected to become even worse, peaking at 9.7 million people within two weeks, nearly double the level recorded at this time last year. You will be very tired with this cold, it more like a flu. Without having contact with regular viral infections during that time, Dr Hespe said our bodies had not had the regular reminder to our immune system to have a good response. Thanks so much for your good advice and tough love, R7/R14. Hot showers do help to feel better. And pediatric hospitals remain more full than average with RSV patients and other conditions. I came down with it right at Christmas and had miserable nose/throat symptoms and a congested chest for a solid two weeksquite a bit lengthier and more severe than colds usually hit me. I had this for over 2 weeks, low grade fever, terrible headaches, crazy dreams, night sweats, no appetite at all, lost sense of smell and taste for 5 days. I told him I had a cough. If mucus production become virulent, you MUST get to the hospital for a chest xray and blood gases. Nov. 6, 2021. Cold and Flu Activity Map and News | WeatherBug 0 Cold and Flu Each year, on average 5% to 20% of the U.S. population get sick from seasonal influenza, commonly called "the flu." The flu can cause severe illness and life-threatening complications in many people, but can you tell the difference between the flu and the common cold? I had pneumonia and then shortly after that cleared I had a sinus infection. One of the reasons why chicken soup has always been proven to cure colds and related illnesses. They died in huge numbers in April. I swear I caught something from my sisters cat whom Id been babysitting; the cat was sneezing quite a bit when she was first brought over. My doctor prescribed another, but I want to wait til I know everything I need from the drugstore before I go and pick it up. I was like a mucus factory for weeks. r330 You should cancel your trip until the vaccine. Nothing else worked. 'As long as there are human beings around, there will be colds,' said Professor Eccles. Oddest thing I've ever had. I currently am in the throws off this cough/cold. America used to be a clean place, for all its other problems. Flu cases are on the rise. 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When I come down with a respiratory virus, I take elderberry and NAC in the AM & PM, oregano oil and ginger in the AM, and vitamin C as ascorbate sodium powder throughout the day in hot liquids, and zinc in the PM with dinner. [quote]Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) is a highly pathogenic emergent virus which replicates in cells that can express ABH histo-blood group antigens. NIAID. The hospitals will probably be pretty full by then. During the colder months, many people become deficient in vitamin D because they stay inside avoiding the weather. March 18, 2022CDC's most recent FluView report shows that flu activity is increasing across most of the United States after declining from mid-December through January. Yeah. He finished two rounds of antibiotics, he told me. The fact is that health officials expect to see a rise in COVID-19 . The uptick in RSV cases is a good proxy that "a lot of respiratory viruses are circulating now," says Dr. John Swartzberg, a clinical professor emeritus at UC Berkeley's School of Public Health. . Lemon tea with a heaping teaspoon of ginger and honey helped a bit with the throat tickle/cough. "I had fever, cough, sore throat, shortness of breath in December. 'The cold spell is another factor though why it should make us more prone is a mystery. Are any of those first posters still around? Productivity-wise, you're unlikely to be performing at your best, and on morale, colleagues showing up sick "brings the whole team down," Nayyar adds. It's not the swine flu, because I was tested for it. Blood groups can play a direct role in infection by serving as receptors and/or coreceptors for microorganisms, parasites, and viruses. Improving influenza prevention: Modest changes with large effects. Prince Andrew 'fears he won't be able to afford Royal Lodge if King Charles cuts his 250K grant - but is Can you solve this trivia riddle? mild body aches or headache. There are quite a few people describing similar symptoms in December on Datalounge and in other placesif there were already so many cases in December we would have seen hospitals getting busier much earlier than they actually did, which was mid-February to mid-March. It wasn't that long ago that ReDell Atkinson remembers her coworkers taking extra precautions around the office with masking, social distancing, hand-washing and staying home when sick. The cough lasts for over 3 weeks but if you don't die of it you should feel quite a bit better after 18 days or so. The UK as a whole has been classified as severe risk but there are regional fluctuations, with the North East, South East and East Anglia the worst hit. This thread was a warning of what was to come : (. I'm guessing I caught his cold now smh, [quote] I'm hearing my brother in the next room. Infected people may not have symptoms, but can still pass along either virus. For more consumer health news and information, visit health.nih.gov. As of May 12, 2022, the cause of this cluster of hepatitis cases is still . A co-worker and I were inflicted at about the same time. Because I had a computer job, he was standing over me a lot and coughing on me. There is going to be a lot of Thanksgiving traffic, shopping and holiday family events, and in the next few days and weeks, the infection rate will skyrocket. Wow, I don't know if I posted on this thread when it was new, but I got sick the Monday before Thanksgiving and stayed sick until the middle of January with something that was like a cross between a cold, the flu, pneumonia, or something else. But you know, it's a random world and she didn't listen to her body. Showing up to work sick, or even powering through from home, can be damaging on a number of levels. Is his performance wooden? There wasnt a lot of mucus or post nasal drip otherwise. And since he's more famous than you are, he wins! Its a common respiratory infection that typically causes mild, cold-like symptoms, but it can cause serious illness, particularly in older adults and infants. And in Western Europe. nihnewsinhealth@od.nih.gov Has anyone in New York downloaded the excelsior pass app yet? I had to cart all my shit to my office and developed a mucusy cough that night. Hack, gargle and blow your nose in the warm steaminess- get it all out. Information on cold and flu levels is collated from weekly samples taken from more than 90,000 people nationwide at GPs' surgeries, hospitals, nursing homes and pharmacies. I felt like I'd been hit by a mack truck. I bought some bromelain (pineapple) pills, b/c those have helped me in the past with sinus issues. You're body builds a tolerance to it and it becomes less effective the more you use it. I'm sweating, then freezing, then sweating, then freezing. Based on data from insurance claims, adult flu vaccinations are down about 5 million compared to where they were last year at the same time, said Lynnette Brammer, who leads surveillance for the CDCs influenza division. This illness has been classified as the flu. . Some idiot early in this thread INSISTED that there was no mucus or snot involved when you had Covid. But hasnt the thinking changed about testing pos for antibodies and its relationship to immunity? It seems more like a bad cold. It will get so stiff and sore, like someone jammed an iron rod down in my neck. Of course people had it back in December and January - that's exactly when people take their winter vacations and travel through international airports. I spent most of the month lethargic on the couch. Would the antibody test work now? If this round of antibiotics fail, Ill have to get IV treatment, whatever that entails. NIH Office of Communications and Public Liaison Unless you have asthma, allergies typically do not cause breathing problems. She thought she was better and didn't pay attention when she started feeling dizzy and short of breath again. Frightening to know how much at risk we were and how quickly it spread. One of the worst flu seasons in modern history. The same things we can do to prevent Covid are the same things that'll prevent other respiratory tract infections. The "worst day" of this particular cold is not as bad as the worst day of previous nasty colds that I have experienced. This means that, if I did have it at that time, then Curacao is way underreporting their numbers. Harvard Health says the exceptions to the expired medication being safe rule are insulin, nitroglycerin, and liquid antibiotics. So much nonsense in this thread, its hard to know where to start. One of the first Datalounge records of someone dying from Covid, back in December 2019. They couldn't determine what it was at first, but then a lab test said it was strep throat. For junior employees, be explicit about when workers can and should take their sick or PTO days, especially if you have unlimited policies. Try to avoid crowded indoor situations when possible, too. Well informed and detailed. You are alleviating symptoms and getting rest. 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A couple of days letter I woke up feeling as though my neck glands were swollen. Try to have one daily. One of those is 24-year-old Rebecca London. Secondly, the virus has mutated and different variants are going to behave differently," Gounder says. Bethesda, MD 20892-2094 Yes that's how my friends mom died of this thing. In December, I had a ton of FB friends across the country and in L.A, who had this. His coughs are horrible. I'm at day 18. Back in L.A., I did some research about that, and apparently it was normal for that airlines (some kind of fumigant, which I wasn't happy about inhaling), but 2 days later, the Chinese officially announced their cases. Various members of my extended family have had it - all experienced a worse than normal cold/mild flu that lasted for close to 2 weeks+. low-grade fever. These symptoms can be . I find it funny because the news was commenting on Trump receiving steroids for COVID and they were questioning whether his judgment might be questionable, I mean more questionable, on the steroids. He gave me antibiotics & did a chest X-ray. Its chilling to read back through the earlier posts and see symptoms (without runny nose/nasal issues) similar to covid19. My building elevator sounds like a tuberculosis ward. While respiratory viruses surge, shortage of pediatric hospital beds delays care for some kids. The two most common viruses detected in California are rhinovirus, an infection that causes the common cold, and respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, another common cold-like virus, Swartzberg said. Taking honey may help with nighttime cough for children over 1 year old. We are in Texas. Im hoping to get an antibody test when they become more widely available because I wouldnt be surprised in the least if the virus came over here far earlier than has been reported. Flu activity is highest in the South, followed by the Mid-Atlantic and parts of the West Coast. I don't buy that. All I wanted was one of his Hummel figurines to remember him by. I have nothing against chicken soup per se but I find that soup in general is comforting when I have a cold or flu. I got this last year about this time. Take a look at I wonder if it was here sooner and many flu deaths were really from covid 19 because lets face it, nobody was testing for covid 19. My mom had a terrible illness around that same time where she couldn't get out of bed for weeks. Don't think this is the first wave - it's not. "Wearing a high-quality mask, whether it's a KN95 mask or an N95 mask, when you're indoors in public places, will certainly reduce your risk," says Gounder. Still suffering from extreme head congestion and dehydration. It's just a covid. It does not say chicken soup is proven to cure colds and related illnesses as Datalounge fraudom declared in this thread. Sleep with your head elevated. Do NOT go to a clinic and ask for antibiotics without a chest X Ray. Zuniga-Moya JC, Norwood DA, Romero Reyes LE, Barrueto Saavedra E, Diaz R, Fajardo WC, Pineda A, Torres D, Barahona R, Leiva SO, Hernandez PX, Silva H, Leiva CR, Estrada L, Barahona-Campos A, Gordon A. Clin Infect Dis. I always make sure I have Coke and soup in the house and it still makes me feel better. I had headaches, which I usually never get, and my body ached, including my face, which never happened before. My buddy does not feel achy like the flu, but the cough is a bitch. Someone just sneezed next to me. New and continuous cough - coughing a lot for more than an hour, or having three or more coughing episodes in 24 hours Fever - a temperature above 37.8C Change in smell or taste - either you cannot. The entire episode lasted from late November till mid-March --- three successive waves. The 'super-cold' usually involves an extreme sore throat, a hacking . 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